Oxxy 24 Posted May 2, 2015 Wanted to discuss about the point of rAthena compared to Hercules atm. Why not to merge everything from to Hercules and let this emulator die? Hercules got many advantages when compared to rAthena. Your arguments? This topic is made to discuss two emulators only. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zackdreaver 90 Posted May 2, 2015 http://herc.ws/board/topic/799-rathena-devsstaffmembers-on-hercules/ http://herc.ws/board/topic/2248-hercules-vs-rathena/ No need for drama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oxxy 24 Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) @@zackdreaver I didn't mean to create any drama, it was more kind of discussion on theme "Why not to unite together?" "Why would we develop two SIMILAR emulators, but having other one with pretty cool advantages?". btw, I'm really sorry, didn't use search function, so didn't see those themes, if moderators think this one should be deleted/closed, then do it. Edited May 2, 2015 by Oxxy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dastgir 1246 Posted May 2, 2015 @@zackdreaver I didn't mean to create any drama, it was more kind of discussion on theme "Why not to unite together?" "Why would we develop two SIMILAR emulators, but having other one with pretty cool advantages?". btw, I'm really sorry, didn't use search function, so didn't see those themes, if moderators think this one should be deleted/closed, then do it.There was a reason for foundation of Hercules, and I am pretty sure, if you search , you will get quite a few topic on it. If it begins to create a drama, topic will be locked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
csnv 12 Posted May 2, 2015 Rivalry and competition improve projects. This is specially true in open source projects, where one project can benefit from the other and viceversa. Just look how things were when there was "only" eathena (taking into account the community size difference), or where rAthena was alone in the path. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mystery 594 Posted May 4, 2015 To sum up why there is Hercules and rAthena... it's because of staff. There are already tons of topics so far why there is Hercules and rAthena on both boards. Just search for it ;P Here is one topic about rAthena + Hercules: http://herc.ws/board/topic/2248-hercules-vs-rathena/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vBrenth 39 Posted May 5, 2015 Most of what happened with Cookie on rAthena happened on Skype and IRC on an old machine, and at the time my conversations took place with him, I didn't think to screenshot or save any logs, so all you'd have is my word. Take it with however many grains of salt as you wish. In short, an abbreviated timeline: * Cookie contacts me and pressures me to fire Ind and replace with Cookie, I decline * Cookie and Maki team up and Cookie is hired, with my reluctant support. * We warm up to Cookie, Cookie recommends to Maki that Ind be released (because "Jman won't listen to my bright ideas, Ind is poison to rAthena, he doesn't know how to lead, is a crappy developer, etc etc"), dumbly I agree and Ind is removed of permissions and stripped of powers. * A few days later I try to get Cookie to change his mind about Ind, and none of the staff is with me because they all support the all high and mighty Cookie * Cookie requests donation Paypal access and I decline, multiple times. Cookie then (I assume) convinces the staff I'm poison to rAthena. A bunch of drama surrounding my favoritism towards Ind and keeping the original team together ensues (original team being Maki, BrianL, Ind and myself), and to prevent further drama, I resign. I'm not sure what exactly happened around Cookie after I left, if he received his donation access or why he quit. Lately I had been trying to mend the relationship I used to have with Maki and/or Brian, but unfortunately they've not been around at all on rAthena or their IRC to speak with. Seems Akkarin is running the show, but just barely. Oh, and hello yC. Long time no talk. RMS: maybe? http://forum.ratemyserver.net/server-discussion/ggro-closed/msg178532/#msg178532 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oxxy 24 Posted May 8, 2015 Most of what happened with Cookie on rAthena happened on Skype and IRC on an old machine, and at the time my conversations took place with him, I didn't think to screenshot or save any logs, so all you'd have is my word. Take it with however many grains of salt as you wish. In short, an abbreviated timeline: * Cookie contacts me and pressures me to fire Ind and replace with Cookie, I decline * Cookie and Maki team up and Cookie is hired, with my reluctant support. * We warm up to Cookie, Cookie recommends to Maki that Ind be released (because "Jman won't listen to my bright ideas, Ind is poison to rAthena, he doesn't know how to lead, is a crappy developer, etc etc"), dumbly I agree and Ind is removed of permissions and stripped of powers. * A few days later I try to get Cookie to change his mind about Ind, and none of the staff is with me because they all support the all high and mighty Cookie * Cookie requests donation Paypal access and I decline, multiple times. Cookie then (I assume) convinces the staff I'm poison to rAthena. A bunch of drama surrounding my favoritism towards Ind and keeping the original team together ensues (original team being Maki, BrianL, Ind and myself), and to prevent further drama, I resign. I'm not sure what exactly happened around Cookie after I left, if he received his donation access or why he quit. Lately I had been trying to mend the relationship I used to have with Maki and/or Brian, but unfortunately they've not been around at all on rAthena or their IRC to speak with. Seems Akkarin is running the show, but just barely. Oh, and hello yC. Long time no talk. RMS: maybe? http://forum.ratemyserver.net/server-discussion/ggro-closed/msg178532/#msg178532 Oh, that's really sad. Blindly following kRO is just stupid. How many GREAT or atleast GOOD 1x/1x/1x do you see now-a-days? with plenty of online(100+)? I don't see any, EVERY server is using custom things. Like why would you blindly follow kRO, iRO if there's actually no point in doing that? Actually creating new things is much more exciting Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
malufett 247 Posted May 9, 2015 Oh, that's really sad. Blindly following kRO is just stupid. How many GREAT or atleast GOOD 1x/1x/1x do you see now-a-days? with plenty of online(100+)? I don't see any, EVERY server is using custom things. Like why would you blindly follow kRO, iRO if there's actually no point in doing that? Actually creating new things is much more exciting but I'm not blindly implementing formulas from kRO..FYI kRO has 0 bots and having 1.5k players and 3k at peak time...and if there is no point mimicking official then there is no point in developing emulators..and its very stupid to think what you are pointing, its like saying you devs are useless at all.. 2 kyeme and evilpuncker reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bWolfie 138 Posted July 4, 2016 Re-posting not with the hope of causing drama, but out of curiosity to its validity. He makes some bold claims, though, does he have any solid basing to them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ridley 295 Posted July 4, 2016 (edited) k I hope to do that without beeing too dramatic or insulting xD rAthena's content is not merged (most of the time) because the code is crap. I don't know Haru personally but if you follow the pull requests you can see that he is quite picky. But that is one of the reasons why Herc is so much faster (and imo better) than rA. Why should they blindly merge code which Ind removed/replaced over several years. I won't say Herc is dead, they announced that thei're looking for staff. Most of the current ones are more the architect type. Then there is the aim to be official. It has no use to add some fantasy formulas (rA's HomunS, Rebellion) but this is my opinion. And yea there is no recent Aegis leak to get proper information. What I like on Herc: Even if it's official but obviously a bug they won't implement it. Playtester is following blindly and even add those bugs. But from what I saw recently from him he now adds options to disable those. Years ago I was part of rA by myself and I know what drama happens there. I do not know how it's here but the simple fact is that the Emu Architects are here while the content writers are at rA and blow their code up. Edit: Additionaly I have the feeling that's most ppl can't stand when their code is reviewed in a negative way. As you can see on rA is no code review at all. Here on herc you get instructions what to do/improve and they ask questions for specific lines in the code. I think that's another reason why people stay on other emulators. Edited July 5, 2016 by Ridley 5 bWolfie, Legend, Neo-Mind and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Legend 43 Posted July 6, 2016 yeah i agree with you @ridley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4144 364 Posted July 9, 2016 Not sure how good or bad ragnarok features implimented in hercules or rathena. But hercules allow plugins. For now plugins may change/replace almost anything. Dont need any line of code change in hercules. This is was main feature for me. I implimenting completly oher game engine based on hercules, and i using only plugins. This is simply impossible with any other ragnarok emulators. 4 evilpuncker, Sephus, Legend and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites