point of rAthena

[Oxxy 24]

Wanted to discuss about the point of rAthena compared to Hercules atm. Why not to merge everything from to Hercules and let this emulator die? Hercules got many advantages when compared to rAthena. Your arguments? This topic is made to discuss two emulators only.

[zackdreaver 90]

http://herc.ws/board/topic/799-rathena-devsstaffmembers-on-hercules/

http://herc.ws/board/topic/2248-hercules-vs-rathena/

 

No need for drama

[Oxxy 24]

@@zackdreaver I didn't mean to create any drama, it was more kind of discussion on theme "Why not to unite together?" "Why would we develop two SIMILAR emulators, but having other one with pretty cool advantages?".
 

 

btw, I'm really sorry, didn't use search function, so didn't see those themes, if moderators think this one should be deleted/closed, then do it.

Edited May 2, 2015 by Oxxy

[Dastgir 1246]

@@zackdreaver I didn't mean to create any drama, it was more kind of discussion on theme "Why not to unite together?" "Why would we develop two SIMILAR emulators, but having other one with pretty cool advantages?". btw, I'm really sorry, didn't use search function, so didn't see those themes, if moderators think this one should be deleted/closed, then do it.

There was a reason for foundation of Hercules, and I am pretty sure, if you search , you will get quite a few topic on it.

 

If it begins to create a drama, topic will be locked.

[csnv 12]

Rivalry and competition improve projects. This is specially true in open source projects, where one project can benefit from the other and viceversa.

 

Just look how things were when there was "only" eathena (taking into account the community size difference), or where rAthena was alone in the path.

[Mystery 594]

To sum up why there is Hercules and rAthena... it's because of staff. There are already tons of topics so far why there is Hercules and rAthena on both boards. Just search for it ;P

 

Here is one topic about rAthena + Hercules: http://herc.ws/board/topic/2248-hercules-vs-rathena/

[vBrenth 39]

 

Most of what happened with Cookie on rAthena happened on Skype and IRC

on an old machine, and at the time my conversations took place with him,

I didn't think to screenshot or save any logs, so all you'd have is my

word. Take it with however many grains of salt as you wish.

 

In short, an abbreviated timeline:

 

* Cookie contacts me and pressures me to fire Ind and replace with Cookie, I decline

* Cookie and Maki team up and Cookie is hired, with my reluctant support.

*

We warm up to Cookie, Cookie recommends to Maki that Ind be released

(because "Jman won't listen to my bright ideas, Ind is poison to

rAthena, he doesn't know how to lead, is a crappy developer, etc etc"),

dumbly I agree and Ind is removed of permissions and stripped of powers.

*

A few days later I try to get Cookie to change his mind about Ind, and

none of the staff is with me because they all support the all high and

mighty Cookie

* Cookie requests donation Paypal access and I decline,

multiple times. Cookie then (I assume) convinces the staff I'm poison

to rAthena. A bunch of drama surrounding my favoritism towards Ind and

keeping the original team together ensues (original team being Maki,

BrianL, Ind and myself), and to prevent further drama, I resign.

 

I'm

not sure what exactly happened around Cookie after I left, if he

received his donation access or why he quit. Lately I had been trying to

mend the relationship I used to have with Maki and/or Brian, but

unfortunately they've not been around at all on rAthena or their IRC to

speak with. Seems Akkarin is running the show, but just barely.

 

Oh, and hello yC. Long time no talk.

 

RMS: maybe?

http://forum.ratemyserver.net/server-discussion/ggro-closed/msg178532/#msg178532

[Oxxy 24]

 

 

Most of what happened with Cookie on rAthena happened on Skype and IRC

on an old machine, and at the time my conversations took place with him,

I didn't think to screenshot or save any logs, so all you'd have is my

word. Take it with however many grains of salt as you wish.

 

In short, an abbreviated timeline:

 

* Cookie contacts me and pressures me to fire Ind and replace with Cookie, I decline

* Cookie and Maki team up and Cookie is hired, with my reluctant support.

*

We warm up to Cookie, Cookie recommends to Maki that Ind be released

(because "Jman won't listen to my bright ideas, Ind is poison to

rAthena, he doesn't know how to lead, is a crappy developer, etc etc"),

dumbly I agree and Ind is removed of permissions and stripped of powers.

*

A few days later I try to get Cookie to change his mind about Ind, and

none of the staff is with me because they all support the all high and

mighty Cookie

* Cookie requests donation Paypal access and I decline,

multiple times. Cookie then (I assume) convinces the staff I'm poison

to rAthena. A bunch of drama surrounding my favoritism towards Ind and

keeping the original team together ensues (original team being Maki,

BrianL, Ind and myself), and to prevent further drama, I resign.

 

I'm

not sure what exactly happened around Cookie after I left, if he

received his donation access or why he quit. Lately I had been trying to

mend the relationship I used to have with Maki and/or Brian, but

unfortunately they've not been around at all on rAthena or their IRC to

speak with. Seems Akkarin is running the show, but just barely.

 

Oh, and hello yC. Long time no talk.

 

RMS: maybe?

http://forum.ratemyserver.net/server-discussion/ggro-closed/msg178532/#msg178532

 

Oh, that's really sad. Blindly following kRO is just stupid. How many GREAT or atleast GOOD 1x/1x/1x do you see now-a-days? with plenty of online(100+)? I don't see any, EVERY server is using custom things. Like why would you blindly follow kRO, iRO if there's actually no point in doing that? Actually creating new things is much more exciting

[malufett 247]

 

Oh, that's really sad. Blindly following kRO is just stupid. How many GREAT or atleast GOOD 1x/1x/1x do you see now-a-days? with plenty of online(100+)? I don't see any, EVERY server is using custom things. Like why would you blindly follow kRO, iRO if there's actually no point in doing that? Actually creating new things is much more exciting

but I'm not blindly implementing formulas from kRO..FYI kRO has 0 bots and having 1.5k players and 3k at peak time...and if there is no point mimicking official then there is no point in developing emulators..and its very stupid to think what you are pointing, its like saying you devs are useless at all..

 

[bWolfie 138]

Re-posting not with the hope of causing drama, but out of curiosity to its validity. He makes some bold claims, though, does he have any solid basing to them?

 

[Ridley 295]

k I hope to do that without beeing too dramatic or insulting xD

 

rAthena's content is not merged (most of the time) because the code is crap. I don't know Haru personally but if you follow the pull requests you can see that he is quite picky. But that is one of the reasons why Herc is so much faster (and imo better) than rA. Why should they blindly merge code which Ind removed/replaced over several years.

I won't say Herc is dead, they announced that thei're looking for staff. Most of the current ones are more the architect type.

Then there is the aim to be official. It has no use to add some fantasy formulas (rA's HomunS, Rebellion) but this is my opinion. And yea there is no recent Aegis leak to get proper information.

 

What I like on Herc: Even if it's official but obviously a bug they won't implement it. Playtester is following blindly and even add those bugs. But from what I saw recently from him he now adds options to disable those.

 

Years ago I was part of rA by myself and I know what drama happens there. I do not know how it's here but the simple fact is that the Emu Architects are here while the content writers are at rA and blow their code up.

 

Edit:

Additionaly I have the feeling that's most ppl can't stand when their code is reviewed in a negative way. As you can see on rA is no code review at all. Here on herc you get instructions what to do/improve and they ask questions for specific lines in the code. I think that's another reason why people stay on other emulators.

Edited July 5, 2016 by Ridley

[Legend 43]

yeah i agree with you @ridley

[4144 364]

Not sure how good or bad ragnarok features implimented in hercules or rathena.

But hercules allow plugins. For now plugins may change/replace almost anything. Dont need any line of code change in hercules.

This is was main feature for me. I implimenting completly oher game engine based on hercules, and i using only plugins.

This is simply impossible with any other ragnarok emulators.